# Transform handles disappear unexpectedly
**URL:** https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/transform-handles-disappear-unexpectedly/17507
**Category:** Modeling Questions
**Created:** [February 18, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/transform-handles-disappear-unexpectedly/17507 "2022-02-18T00:52:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 4
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### Author:  [@Jason42](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Jason42)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/transform-handles-disappear-unexpectedly/17507/1 "2022-02-18T00:52:24Z")
Hey Shapr3D folks, can you tell me why the transform handles disappear sometimes, and then end up jumping far from the object being transformed? I’ve seen this behavior appear consistently in many versions of Shapr. What’s going on here?
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### Author:  [@TigerMike](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/TigerMike)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/transform-handles-disappear-unexpectedly/17507/2 "2022-02-18T01:19:41Z")
Is there a slight arch on the bottom? If so, then the Move-Rotate anchor can at time move to the origin of the arc.
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### Author:  [@Jason42](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Jason42)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/transform-handles-disappear-unexpectedly/17507/3 "2022-02-18T01:25:50Z")
Thank you for that explanation. That may be what is happening, although it makes no sense. Why would the handles jump to the origin point (completely out of the frame of view)? Who does that help? How is the user expected to move (or align) a body with an arc if the transform handles refuse to snap to a corner?
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### Author:  [@SM1](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/SM1)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 2:04am UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/transform-handles-disappear-unexpectedly/17507/4 "2022-02-18T02:04:04Z")
Well if you want to move a body to follow an arc… it needs to be at the origin of said arc. Makes sense to me