# Unselectable faces
**URL:** https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043
**Category:** Modeling Questions
**Created:** [October 18, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043 "2018-10-18T18:47:16Z")
**Posts on this page:** 7
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### Author:  [@Claudio](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Claudio)
#### Post date: [October 18, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043/1 "2018-10-18T18:47:16Z")
I have a visible face that can be selected only when I hide the bodies, please check the following pictures:
 
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### Author:  [@Istvan](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Istvan)
#### Post date: [October 18, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043/2 "2018-10-18T19:42:38Z")
Mhmm… This is by design, because otherwise when you would push in a filling to make a hole, the filling would cover the hole, that was very confusing for many users. So we just hide fillings over holes.
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### Author:  [@tommyn](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/tommyn)
#### Post date: [October 18, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043/3 "2018-10-18T20:58:41Z")
I noticed this behavior also. Easy to work around…
But I don’t understand your explanation. What is a “filling” and what, in general, is a “hole”?
Just so I understand if/when this happens in other circumstances.
Thanks,
Tommy
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### Author:  [@Claudio](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Claudio)
#### Post date: [October 18, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043/4 "2018-10-18T21:25:58Z")
Thank you Istvan. Do you mean that a face cannot be selected if all of its edges belongs to some body? Can your further clarify your explanation (maybe with an example?)? Why should I be able to extrude all other faces, but not the one in the corner?
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### Author:  [@Istvan](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Istvan)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2018, 8:01am UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043/5 "2018-10-19T08:01:15Z")
Filling = sketch fillings, the blue stuff, that is generated automatically from closed sketches.
If all the sketches in a closed sketch overlap with the edges of a body, we hide the fillings.
Eg.: draw a circle on the top of a box. Push it in to create a hole. The sketch is still there, but the filling is not. Otherwise it would cover the hole. If anybody has a suggestion on how to improve this, I promise we will implement it ASAP. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Claudio](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Claudio)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043/6 "2018-10-19T16:23:48Z")
Well, I guess these are just design choices, and once the behavior follow the principle of least surprise, there’s no problem whichever the implementation is.
But I still have problems to understand this, and when or why the filling disappears — it may be just my case since I am a newcomer in Shapr3d.
Here I tried to follow your example: in the simplest case of a hole through a box, the filling is removed. But just two steps ahead, I have a situation where the filling is “covering” the hole:
Two things comes in my mind in this case:
1. I am not confused about the filling “covering” the hole, it is clear that there is a hole under the filling, the shades make it clear, so why the necessity to remove it?
2. The circle sketch overlaps with the body, and I am confused to see that is not being removed (or, on the contrary I am surprised to see that in other cases it is).
I am interested to understand the point of view of users that find it useful to remove filling on some circumstances. Sometimes, where the “least surprising” behavior is not clear, a good implementation choice is simply to have it customizable in some advanced option (e.g.: Hide fillings through holes [Yes/No]), with the default set to whatever the majority of users expect it to be.
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### Author:  [@Istvan](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/u/Istvan)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://discourse.shapr3d.com/t/unselectable-faces/3043/7 "2018-10-20T16:40:17Z")
Actually now that I think about it, I think there is an upcoming feature, that will help us get rid of this behaviour. Stay tuned.